Muhammad Ali is looking bad... :( him, something, Whatever, someone

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Is it Parkinson's that he has??  Whatever it is, it's taking a toll on him.  Here's a recent shot of him...   I miss the good ole days when he was known simply as 'Cassius Clay'...

Yep it's Parkinson's. Sad to see someone who was in such great shape go down like that. I reember him shooting an arrow or something to open an olympic games a few years ago and he could hardly hold the bow


Originally Posted by GlennI miss the good ole days when he was known simply as 'Cassius Clay'...

Damn few of us are old enough to actually remember Cassius Clay and Lou Alcindor.

Who cares about that Muslim asshole? Greatest fighter, maybe, good American, absofuckinglutly not!

He is reaping what he has sown, so to speak.

you think hes turned for the worse you should see richard prior. he got nailed with MS and is completly paralized and vegitive. i dont have a pic or link but hes done and gone and doesnt even know it


Originally Posted by ScottFJ40Who cares about that Muslim asshole? Greatest fighter, maybe, good American, absofuckinglutly not!

He is reaping what he has sown, so to speak.

facts to back up your spew?


Originally Posted by Quanfacts to back up your spew?

Ali declined to answer his draft and got in trouble.  

I don't think that qualifies him as a bad American.  In Ali's case, I believe the refusal was actually based on his principles.  Here's why:

Becase he HANS'T reaped what he 'sowed'.  He's lived a VERY fulfilling spiritual life in luxury since his retirement.  He's totally committed to Islam.  It was real, and he kind of got fawked because he was such a loudmouth, like, say, ScottFJ40 is a loudmouth.

He's honored and revered everywhere he goes.  His wife attends to his every need.  He spends long hours every day praying.  He's a complete man, a little thing like Parkinson's can't touch that.

I guess Scott will just have to wait until he goes to hell.  

WOW Scott - because he changed his religion and name, you have that much hate for him?  Jeebus man, please explain - I'd love to get quot;the rest    of the story.quot;

Yes he was a conscientious objector to the war in Vietnam.  He refused to sign his draft card.  He stood up for what he believed in.  I don't agree with it, and I don't think he should have been given any extra priveldges because of his status as a professional athlete.  He wasn't.  

But the quot;reaping what he has sownquot; comment - what is that man?  Come on - maybe you know something I don't.  I'm always looking to learn.

-Keith

BTW - His merits as the greatest heavyweight professional fighter of all time have been completely excluded by me to this point.  The recent Discovery Channel/AOL poll and resulting television show just shows you what kind of people have AOL.  There is a thread on this already though.


Originally Posted by BobzookiDamn few of us are old enough to actually remember Cassius Clay and Lou Alcindor.Raising hand.     I'm from Milwaukee, Wi. and I remember the sh!t he got
when he changed his name from Lou Alcindor to Kareem Abdul Kabar.
The local press dubbed him.............. quot;Kareem of the Cropquot;.  


Originally Posted by SanDiegoCJRaising hand.     I'm from Milwaukee, Wi. and I remember the sh!t he got
when he changed his name from Lou Alcindor to Kareem Abdul Kabar.
The local press dubbed him.............. quot;Kareem of the Cropquot;.  

I thought his name was quot;Lew Alcindorquot;  

Am I wrong???  I really distinctly remember reading it that way in a few NBA encyclopedia articles.

Hmmmm....

quot; I am the greatest draft dodgerquot;What is your great achievement, Mr. Moby?

He for sure wasn't the greatest draft dodger.  He was on TV.  They (draft board) knew where he was.  He lost his livelihood for a few years.  He was stripped of his championship blets that he EARNED, by whipping racial bigots that wanted no less than to beat the black hell out of a nigger.  

He is still the greatest heavyweight boxer that has ever lived. Period.

^^^^^ Moby, unplug, and go read a book.


Originally Posted by Del3030kWhat is your great achievement, Mr. Moby?

He for sure wasn't the greatest draft dodger.  He was on TV.  They (draft board) knew where he was.  He lost his livelihood for a few years.  He was stripped of his championship blets that he EARNED, by whipping racial bigots that wanted no less than to beat the black hell out of a nigger.  

He is still the greatest heavyweight boxer that has ever lived. Period.

^^^^^ Moby, unplug, and go read a book.

ACtually Ali made a lot of racist comments about Joe Frasier.  Back in the day division in the 'black' world between dark skins and light skins was very real and often violent.  One one hand you got Ali, light skinned and handsome.  On the other, Joe Frasier, the stereotypical African with big nose, lips, heavy brow.  Ali took advantage of that and called him, basically, an ape and all kinds of other mean shit.  

So yeah Ali liked trying to beat up white guys, well really White Man (in fact he respected Quarry and didnt' really have it in for most of the whie fighters he encountered), but when it came down to it Ali fought blacks mostly, and when faced with his greatest rival Ali met his lowest personal moment IMO.


Originally Posted by Del3030kI thought his name was quot;Lew Alcindorquot;  

Am I wrong???  I really distinctly remember reading it that way in a few NBA encyclopedia articles.

Hmmmm....

It could have been spelled quot;Lewquot;. That was a long time ago.


Originally Posted by Quanfacts to back up your spew?

quot;If it was about helping blacks,quot; he said of the Vietnam War, while we strolled from the sunlit porch to a casual lunch, quot;I would have gone in a minute.quot;


He not only hated white men (he believed African-Americans who married whites should be killed), but also looked down upon black men like Joe Frazier, an uncomplicated but hugely courageous warrior. Ali repeatedly used the racial slur quot;gorillaquot; on the jet-black Frazier, who had earlier given Ali money when he fell on hard times.


Interesting thing is, white men kept him out of jail.


Originally Posted by Mobyquot; I am the greatest draft dodgerquot;
Actually thank the Supreme Court for that.


Originally Posted by Del3030kI thought his name was quot;Lew Alcindorquot;

Hell if I know.

for what its worth i'm a bad american. if i was to get drafted, there is no way i would serve, but i have my reasons   

don't know much about ali. way after my time and was never into boxing. but sad to see an athlete in general be like this at an old age  doesn't matter who it is..

Abdul-Jabbar, Kareem

(Lewis Ferdinand Alcindor, Jr.)
basketball
Birthplace: New York City
Born: 4/16/47
There you go...


Originally Posted by GlennThere you go...

Yup - there I go.  I Googled Lou Alcindor, and got lots of hits, so I just figured I had it right.


Originally Posted by BobzookiDamn few of us are old enough to actually remember Cassius Clay and Lou Alcindor.

There are still a few of us that remember

I know a racist when i hear one, and Ali is and always was a racist who hated white people. I am white so I choose to hate him back.

If you guys want to go to your library and check out some books and then comment, feel free.

If you don't agree with my opinion, good on you. If you want to be spoon fed bullshit from the media your whole life, have at it as well.

I still watch his fights when they are on espn classic, he was an amazing fighter, and fun to watch.
I am somewhat of a boxing fan, and enjoy watching great fighters.

I also enjoyed(past tense) Tyson fights, and that guy is one of the biggest fucking idiots ever.

I did personally see Hasim Rahman fall of the decklid of a convertible during his celebratory Championship Parade downtown Baltimore. He's funny.

I would beat Muhammad Ali's ass.  Lets go right now!


Originally Posted by Del3030kWhat is your great achievement, Mr. Moby?

He for sure wasn't the greatest draft dodger.  He was on TV.  They (draft board) knew where he was.  He lost his livelihood for a few years.  He was stripped of his championship blets that he EARNED, by whipping racial bigots that wanted no less than to beat the black hell out of a nigger.  

He is still the greatest heavyweight boxer that has ever lived. Period.

^^^^^ Moby, unplug, and go read a book.

Pull his dick out of your mouth for a minute. Are you his mom or something?
Did he dodge the draft?
Did he say he was the greatest?
So I said he was the greates draft dodger, a little play on words.   
I read a book everyday, I just choose not to read about mouthy boxers. FYI